Re: water mixable oils 476 by Claudia on 04/22/01 at 5:48 PM
Re: water mixable oils

In Reply to: Re: water mixable oils posted by Patrick on 01/12/01 at 4:14 PM:

I tried Max oils but didn't like them. What I would really like to find is water-mixable alkyds.
I used Winsor & Newton's Griffin Alkyds and thought they were great (paint a session one
day and the painting is ready for the next session the next day). But the turpentine (even
citrus cleaners) drove me nuts.

So, does anybody know of or use a water-mixable alkyd? Any ideas on relative permanence
between oils and alkyds (either water-mix or not)? Any other relavent comments?


: I really like the water mixable oils, just for the lack of odor and ease of cleanup (soap and water). I have found the Grumbacher Max oils to be the best, and the W&N Artisan to be the worst, for what that's worth.

: Treat them like regular oils - in fact, with the Max oils, you can even mix in a small amount of REGULAR oil paint, and it becomes water soluble. Once the water evaporates, the oils act JUST like traditional oils on the canvas, taking the same time to dry, same glazing charateristics, etc. As to unused paint, it will act almost exactly like traditional oil - I cover my palette with foil to save paints for up to a week at times.

: The biggest difference is that you are better off with synthetic or blend brushes, as they react better to being soaked in water than natural material brushes. For that reason, you may wish to use more acrylic-oriented brushes.




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: I tried Max oils but didn't like them. What I would really like to find is water-mixable alkyds. : I used Winsor & Newton's Griffin Alkyds and thought they were great (paint a session one : day and the painting is ready for the next session the next day). But the turpentine (even : citrus cleaners) drove me nuts. : So, does anybody know of or use a water-mixable alkyd? Any ideas on relative permanence : between oils and alkyds (either water-mix or not)? Any other relavent comments? : I really like the water mixable oils, just for the lack of odor and ease of cleanup (soap and water). I have found the Grumbacher Max oils to be the best, and the W&N Artisan to be the worst, for what that's worth. Treat them like regular oils - in fact, with the Max oils, you can even mix in a small amount of REGULAR oil paint, and it becomes water soluble. Once the water evaporates, the oils act JUST like traditional oils on the canvas, taking the same time to dry, same glazing charateristics, etc. As to unused paint, it will act almost exactly like traditional oil - I cover my palette with foil to save paints for up to a week at times. The biggest difference is that you are better off with synthetic or blend brushes, as they react better to being soaked in water than natural material brushes. For that reason, you may wish to use more acrylic-oriented brushes.

 
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